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Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:02:00 - [1] why is it you think that our advancements are not in part due to our war like nature. More technology is born out of the quest for survival and domination of ones enemies than by any other motivation in existence. Struggle brings advancement, not complacency, and not peace. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:23:00 - [2] Originally by: Miss Uylear Originally by: Sky Grunthor why is it you think that our advancements are not in part due to our war like nature. More technology is born out of the quest for survival and domination of ones enemies than by any other motivation in existence. Struggle brings advancement, not complacency, and not peace. Human thinking, that is all that is. And also the problem. So you wish to become something other than human? Even the Jove are still human in this manner... To try and change your fundamental nature is naive... to try and rise above it through denial of its existence is ultimately impossible. Accept it for what it is, relish in its strengths and know its weaknesses so that you may choose a different action or choose a different thought to claim. When it comes down to it, you can't become a better human by denying your humanity. You can only become one by accepting it and working within that frame work with every growing self knowledge. We Seibestor have know this for generations. Conflict of body, conflict of mind and conflict of spirit brings one self knowledge. and through self knowledge you become a master of yourself. Which is the only true think you can master. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.30 04:20:00 - [3] Originally by: Myxx War has never accomplished anything but the development of technology by which to use to kill more people. I see it reversely. I must laugh at the ignorance that abounds in this statement. Illucidate yourself for you live in a world where nearly every major technological breakthrough was made in pursuit of or support of ultimately military goals. This utopia you dream of has never existed but inside the minds of people so disconnected with reality that they have become weights around the feet of cultures and peoples trying to swim in turbulent waters. The Gallente may have helped the Minmatar to free ourselves and to become a nation again... but it was not your desired kind of Gallente. I am Minmatar... I am Free! and I strive to maintain that freedom every day. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.02 01:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Miss Uylear Where a man named Sky Grunthor can weild a statement that says it is impossible for basic nature to be erased, yet himself be a walking, talking, and certainly flying contradiction in regards to where he came from on the ladder of evolution. There is no man that says what you have claimed here. However that is merely a minor error in your statements. However there is a flaw in your argument that you must rectify before it can be seen as valid in any way. The flaw is that you assume that humanity has obliterated its basic nature in what it has accomplished. It is an assumption that you can not provide evidence for. I could very well claim that our very nature led us to where we are, flaws and all and it would hold as much weight. In actuality the claim that our very nature led us to where we are holds MORE weight due to a simple logical comparison. Is it more believable that a species accomplishes what it does by going against its nature en mass or rather by following its basic nature to its inevitable conclusion? Yes, you could argue that if an individual can do it then so can a species but does the likelihood of it seem plausible? Your argument of us having gotten to where we are today because at some point in history we as a species did something other than our nature is highly implausible. You storm against your very own humanity for some reason I can not fathom. As if you are ashamed of it. I am not ashamed of my humanity, nor of my nature. I live within its flaws, atrocities, greatness, commonness, kindnesses and truths every day with the understanding that this is who we are. And we can either except it and do something that works... or we can deny it and do something that will ultimately fail. Your arguments lack real and logical foundation and are based in fantasy... and as such they fail as well.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:26:00 - [5] How are social needs any different from physical needs? We are not the only animal that has an innate and unavoidable need for communion with each other. We are a social organism that exists on more than what is on the table and what is meeting our basest physical requirements. There is no real difference between the two in terms of our basic nature... just a different focus. Who are these Neanderthals you speak of? And what says these mythic creatures we supposedly come from did not have the very same basic needs and very same basic nature that we ourselves have. Does the capability of technology, conjecture, intelligence mean that our very natures have changed? I think not. The social for all of recorded history and all of conjectured history has played as large a role in our development as has our survival needs. They are inseparable for our social needs are an intrinsic part of our survival. To separate the two is a like separating my head from my body. Our basic nature encompasses more than I our you can fathom. We know parts of it but not the whole. I know a part of our intrinsic nature is competition in almost all arenas. Part of it is also the requirement for companionship in some way or form. Part of it is also the basic needs of keeping the body alive. But we are more than body and our minds dear madam are the greater of our being, not the body. Is this a complete picture of our natures... NO far from complete. But it is true in what it does state. You apparently have a partitioned and limited understanding of what makes up humanity and who we are. You relegate this piece to one thought and that piece to another. You say that here is evidence of us doing something other than what we are when it is plainly part of who we intrinsically are. And yes, you may never had said that you are ashamed of your humanity.... however this continuing habit to separate our physical needs from our psychological needs creates that implication. It is however an implication, not a statement of fact. This is why I used the phrase "as if" in my original statement, because who could know your heart and your mind based on this short philosophical conversation. Our basic nature rules our desires. Our minds rule the fulfillment of those desires. And one thought to end this communique. You yourself practice and live in a tribalistic society. One, in part, made up of corporations such as Uylears Dream.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:50:00 - [6] What drivel is this. There is no argument here, there is only statements of triviality. Please bring a brain to the next communique. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.02 21:08:00 - [7] Apparently when you fail to argue your point you resort to inane platitudes and call them truth. Yes I see your great and mighty epiphany now. It all makes perfect sense. *Sky Grunthor walks away to the back room to read something interesting ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.02 22:55:00 - [8] Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 02/09/2008 22:55:09 Veron that was a wonderful and elucidating post. I take no issue with it. ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.02 23:39:00 - [9] Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 02/09/2008 23:39:16 *Sky Grunthor looks up as her message indicator beeps, walks over and reads.... .... walks back to the back room to continue reading something interesting as she wonders how Uylear continues to miss the point
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:03:00 - [10] Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 08/09/2008 12:04:30 Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 08/09/2008 12:03:42 .... .......... static comes across the transmission ............. .... light giggling ha ha ha ah haha hah ahhah ahhahhhahahahhahaha...... continues for some time a crash is heard and silence ........... I'm sorry I was laughing so hard I fell off my chair. .......... ------------------------------------------------- Search: Sky Grunthor

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